Collar Conditioning

[Flying T Retrievers]

1st off I am NOT a professional writer so forgive me if I make some mistakes in my typing or accidently leave something out

[Flying T Retrievers]

Rule #1
The e-collar is not for teaching, it used to correct for not performing known commands.

Rule #2
If you are planning on using a collar your dog should be wearing it as soon as he/she is strong enough to wear it during your training sessions (3 months and up)
DO NOT TURN IT ON!!!! just let the pup get used to it around his/her neck

Rule #3 Formalize each command before you start conditioning to the command

Rule #4 Start at the lowest setting and work your way up the collar until you get the sign you've reached a point you think is enough, The dog usually will do anything from twitching his/her ear to slight vocalization (bark)

GETTING STARTED!!!
The dog again should be through steps rules/steps 1-3
We will start with sit.
Asuming the dog has been formalized to sit he should already have some pressure to make him comply with the heel stick, if not FORMALIZE NOW!!!

OK, put your dog on lead and a pinch collar, place your ecollar in the proper place (right behind the ears, and just tight enough to to slip 2-3 fingers under), the collar should be in front of the the pinch collar. oh the transmitter should be on the underside of the neck

Asumming the collar is on, put the collar is on the lowest setting walk w/ your dog at heel, tell the dog to sit and tap the dog on the honches, the scenerio should play out like this: SIT/TAP repeat a few times
Do this a couple of times, then add the collar (on the lowest setting) SIT/TAP/NICK timing is important repeat several times then remove the TAP so it's SIT/NICK

Work your way up the collar and increasing with moderate stick pressure repeating the step above until you get your "sign" from the dog REMEMBER the ear twitch or the slight vocalization and of course COMPLIENCE!!

work on sit at this level with no "TAPS"

You can also add the whistle at this stage as well
SIT/BEEP/TAP SIT/BEEP/TAP/NICK
once he understands
it will be BEEP/NICK (this is not a remote sit but a foundation for teaching it)

I'll do here next time

[Dman]

I think I did it wrong. Here's what I did. I took my collar out of the box, charged it for 14 hrs, put it on my 14 week old puppy and pushed the button just to see what would happen. I said "here" several times, but the dog didn't listen, he just hollered real loud for about 10 seconds and then ran off.
That was 3 weeks ago....Do you think he will come back?

[cahoun]

You pushed the overdrive button

[Dman]

Originally Posted by cahoun

You pushed the overdrive button

I don't have a button called "overdrive"... What kind of collar do you have?

[cahoun]

Originally Posted by Dman

I don't have a button called "overdrive"... What kind of collar do you have?

Dodge

[Flying T Retrievers]

Do you guys not like it

[cooter77]

I think they are just playin with ya. I think that was very good info. My wife is dead set against me using one on our lab and I am sure trying, but it seems she knows the comands but she just is too dang bullheaded to do it. If I get riled and yell she just looks at me and will not come back. I think it may just be a case of the I don't like you, you are the one who yells at me. ( I am the disiplanarian I think she knows the deeper voice means bussiness) Any tips to get her to obey without a shock colar? If you want this on a new thread let me know.

OK gents I ask Tim to post up helpful tips/topics that would help people on the site
You Might already know what he is talking about but others might not know or have never done it before

All jokes aside this was a great information topic/post but I see some want to make fun of the post

It ends Now
I ask TIM to help people/members of this site with topics/Tips this is not your place to poke at him He is just trying to help someone that might not know what to do


Tim's first post/topic I did not know and it was great information but for tim to get on here and have you take his post/topic and make it a joking matter STOPS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! you have a problem with what I said send me a pm or email and let me know

[cahoun]

Tim i was not making fun of you post if it sounded like that i apologize. i have read what you have said about working with the e.colar from start to finnish and it was very informative. You have taken a lot of your time and experience to help people that want to learn to train their dog Marvin Calhoun

[NestlesBigTime]

Jon....Tim and Dman are buddies...I dion't think you need to worry about what Dman was saying...he may have been messing with Tim...but trust me, there was no malice behind it.

[Dman]

Originally Posted by NestlesBigTime

..he may have been messing with Tim...

Would I do something like that!

Jon,
There are a couple of things you need to know about me before you start jumping to conclusions.....I'm almost NEVER SERIOUS and most of these guys on here know that. Occasionally I might have some useful information simply because I've been training dogs off and on for about 35 years. I have trained with and without e-collar and well as ff and non ff. I participate in HRC hunt tests and am President of our local HRC club. Tim and I are in that club and know each other quite well. Cahoun knows me and Tim from another forum as well. Dog people tend to become like a large family.

I serve on 2 hunt test committees and have been involved in setting up and approving numerous ht's in Texas and Arkansas. I have just completed a judges training seminar and passed the HRC judges test and will be judging in the fall.
I am an avid duck hunter and have been hunting ducks in this area with a dog for over 30 years.

This is your site, and if you want to keep everything serious and focused, you certainly don't need me to participate.

No hard feelings!

[NestlesBigTime]

Originally Posted by Dman

will be judging in the fall

Hate to contribute some more non-serious stuff to this thread, but GOOD GOD!!! Why don't you tell me where you're judging so I know where NOT to run

[NestlesBigTime]

Tim...that was a GREAT post. Whether you get any serious replies or not, there will be people that read this thread that will get a TON of good information on collar conditioning. Thanks for the work you put into it!!

[Dman]

Originally Posted by NestlesBigTime

Hate to contribute some more non-serious stuff to this thread, but GOOD GOD!!! Why don't you tell me where you're judging so I know where NOT to run

You'll know when you see my name on the premium ....It won't be at Pin Oak this fall, because the premium is already out.

[roxie]

Jon,

Dman is nothing more than a troublemaker...a pot stirrer...an instigator...a menace...a...a...well you get the picture. He's just a no-good. Riff-raff like Dman needs to be swept out the door--and quickly. You give him an inch--he'll take a mile. He makes a hemorrhoid look like a small affair. Trouble I tell you. Problems from the word go. Send him packin'.



(Just kidding.)

By the way...great tip, Flying T!!!

Larry the funny thing is that Dman said the same thing about you but there was more to it.
Something about that you wear a ecollar that is so the wife can bump you and say No bad boy

[Dman]

Originally Posted by roxie

Jon,

Dman is nothing more than a troublemaker...a pot stirrer...an instigator...a menace...a...a...well you get the picture. He's just a no-good. Riff-raff like Dman needs to be swept out the door--and quickly. You give him an inch--he'll take a mile. He makes a hemorrhoid look like a small affair. Trouble I tell you. Problems from the word go. Send him packin'.



(Just kidding.)

By the way...great tip, Flying T!!!

Boy you're got a lot of room to talk!!!

[NestlesBigTime]

Originally Posted by Jon@HC

Larry the funny thing is that Dman said the same thing about you but there was more to it.
Something about that you wear a ecollar that is so the wife can bump you and say No bad boy

BBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHA...I always figured that pro dog trainers had an e-collar fetish

[Flying T Retrievers]

Guys I didn't mean to start a riot
Dman I asked you to come over here I want you stay if you want

but lets get back to the dogs